A Labour peer and a Reform UK MP clashed during a Sky News interview at the Makerfield byelection count, with Thangam Debbonaire asking Sarah Pochin: 'You don't like being on television with brown people, do you Sarah?' The heated exchange also involved discussions about a £5m gift Nigel Farage received from a crypto billionaire and comments on domestic violence.
The Gift Controversy
The row erupted over the £5m personal gift that Nigel Farage accepted from Thailand-based crypto billionaire Christopher Harborne before standing as an MP in the 2024 general election. The gift, first revealed by the Guardian, is under investigation by the parliamentary standards commissioner to determine if it should have been declared. Pochin defended Farage, claiming the gift was received before his political career and did not need declaration. She also stated that Farage's security had been removed by the Labour government, a claim Debbonaire refuted.
Exchange of Accusations
Debbonaire accused Pochin of interrupting and talking 'rubbish.' Pochin mocked Debbonaire for losing her seat in the 2024 election. In response, Debbonaire questioned Pochin's comfort with being on television with brown people, referencing Pochin's previous comments on TalkTV where she criticized adverts featuring black and Asian people. Pochin called the accusation 'outrageous,' but Debbonaire insisted she could find the quote.
Domestic Violence Comments
The pair also clashed over a video Pochin posted urging the England football team to 'keep winning' to prevent domestic violence. Pochin defended the link between team losses and increased domestic abuse, but Debbonaire accused her of not standing up for women and suggesting only immigrants pose a danger. Debbonaire expressed frustration, saying, 'You keep smiling when we are talking about violence against women and girls.'
Aftermath
Debbonaire later told the Guardian she stood by her comments, stating she is prepared to challenge dangerous and prejudicial beliefs, especially after recent racist attacks. She called for more politicians to confront Reform UK. The Guardian has contacted Reform UK for comment.
